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	<title>Comments on: Econ-Atrocity: Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One</title>
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		<title>By: Tom Pridie</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-15</link>
		<author>Tom Pridie</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:42:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;em&gt;"Diamond mines in Australia, Canada, India and many countries in Africa are situated on lands traditionally associated with indigenous peoples. Many of these communities have been displaced, while others remain, often at great cost to their health, livelihoods and traditional cultures"&lt;/em&gt;

Do some research [irrelevant insult deleted].. the native people of canada do NOTHING BUT BENEFIT from the mines in Canada, creating Jobs, building schools and putting millions of dollars through the yellowknife economy due to trade laws that state the amount of Aboriginal workers and rules that all materials purchased must come from yellowknife and local lsources. The remote regions of Canada where the mines are are completley uninhabited.

Diamond mines in Canada are operated under the strictest environmental laws in the world, ensuring there is ZERO impact to the environment outside of the site

[irrelevant insult deleted].</description>
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<p>Do some research [irrelevant insult deleted].. the native people of canada do NOTHING BUT BENEFIT from the mines in Canada, creating Jobs, building schools and putting millions of dollars through the yellowknife economy due to trade laws that state the amount of Aboriginal workers and rules that all materials purchased must come from yellowknife and local lsources. The remote regions of Canada where the mines are are completley uninhabited.</p>
<p>Diamond mines in Canada are operated under the strictest environmental laws in the world, ensuring there is ZERO impact to the environment outside of the site</p>
<p>[irrelevant insult deleted].</p>
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		<title>By: nanteske@mac.com</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-16</link>
		<author>nanteske@mac.com</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-16</guid>
					<description>What a load of CRAP! 

&lt;em&gt;"Diamond Miners are Disproportionately Exposed to HIV/AIDS"&lt;/em&gt; Are you kidding me?? So their employers are forcing them to have unprotected sex?

[ad hominem attack deleted]

By the way, engagement have been around far more than 63 years. Check your facts; the first recorded incidence of a diamond engagement ring was that given to Mary of Burgundy by the Archduke Maximilian of Hamburg in 1477.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a load of CRAP! </p>
<p><em>&#8220;Diamond Miners are Disproportionately Exposed to HIV/AIDS&#8221;</em> Are you kidding me?? So their employers are forcing them to have unprotected sex?</p>
<p>[ad hominem attack deleted]</p>
<p>By the way, engagement have been around far more than 63 years. Check your facts; the first recorded incidence of a diamond engagement ring was that given to Mary of Burgundy by the Archduke Maximilian of Hamburg in 1477.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Teller-Elsberg</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-19</link>
		<author>Jonathan Teller-Elsberg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-19</guid>
					<description>Nanteske, I don't see how one ring given by the Archduke in 1477 invalidates Liz's description. To quote &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engagement_ring" rel="nofollow"&gt;Wikipedia&lt;/a&gt;, which may have been your source as well: "The first recorded diamond engagement ring was presented by the Archduke Maximillian of Austria to Mary of Burgundy as a betrothal gift in 1477. However, the diamond engagement ring did not become the standard it is considered today until after an extensive marketing campaign by De Beers in the middle of the 20th century."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nanteske, I don&#8217;t see how one ring given by the Archduke in 1477 invalidates Liz&#8217;s description. To quote <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engagement_ring" rel="nofollow">Wikipedia</a>, which may have been your source as well: &#8220;The first recorded diamond engagement ring was presented by the Archduke Maximillian of Austria to Mary of Burgundy as a betrothal gift in 1477. However, the diamond engagement ring did not become the standard it is considered today until after an extensive marketing campaign by De Beers in the middle of the 20th century.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Teller-Elsberg</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-20</link>
		<author>Jonathan Teller-Elsberg</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-20</guid>
					<description>In response to Tim: my older brother and sister-in-law actually work for the native diamond company in Nunavut Territory, and my impression through them is that Canadian diamonds are mined responsibly (to their knowledge--they work in the prospecting end of the business, not on site at existing mines).

Now, I doubt that they'd say that the diamond industry in Canada is exclusively 100% positive in its impact, and I think you are wrong that all the mining takes place in uninhabited regions, also, "zero impact on the environment" is something I find hard to believe, but in general I think you are right that Canadian diamonds are not something to worry about nearly as much as diamonds from other parts of the world.

However, please realize that when the article was written (five years ago) it was not as easy as it is today for a customer to choose a Canadian diamond that could be trusted to be free of the problems that have plagued the industry in the 20th century. It is only in these past few years that there has been awareness of the problems of diamonds among merchants and customers, and the development of the marketing chanels that allow a customer to trust that they are getting a good diamond. In fact, I think it is critical articles like Liz's that have helped to embarass the industry into doing things to clean up its act. And frankly, I think most people who buy diamonds today still have no idea that there are problems with some diamonds, and make no effort to seek out the better ones, like the Canadian ones.

By the way, just because Canada has strict environmental laws on its books doesn't mean that aboriginal peoples and their lands are always protected properly. See the debate over the &lt;a href="http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=2704" rel="nofollow"&gt;Northgate Minerals Corporation's proposed 'Kemess North' mine&lt;/a&gt;. It's not a diamond mine, but it does suggest that money and influence can get in the way of environmental and human protection even in Glorious Canada. Here's &lt;a href="http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=4645" rel="nofollow"&gt;another example&lt;/a&gt; taken from the &lt;a href="http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/index.php" rel="nofollow"&gt;Turtle Island discussion board&lt;/a&gt; on &lt;a href="http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewforum.php?f=14" rel="nofollow"&gt;Protecting Mother Earth and Natural Resources&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Tim: my older brother and sister-in-law actually work for the native diamond company in Nunavut Territory, and my impression through them is that Canadian diamonds are mined responsibly (to their knowledge&#8211;they work in the prospecting end of the business, not on site at existing mines).</p>
<p>Now, I doubt that they&#8217;d say that the diamond industry in Canada is exclusively 100% positive in its impact, and I think you are wrong that all the mining takes place in uninhabited regions, also, &#8220;zero impact on the environment&#8221; is something I find hard to believe, but in general I think you are right that Canadian diamonds are not something to worry about nearly as much as diamonds from other parts of the world.</p>
<p>However, please realize that when the article was written (five years ago) it was not as easy as it is today for a customer to choose a Canadian diamond that could be trusted to be free of the problems that have plagued the industry in the 20th century. It is only in these past few years that there has been awareness of the problems of diamonds among merchants and customers, and the development of the marketing chanels that allow a customer to trust that they are getting a good diamond. In fact, I think it is critical articles like Liz&#8217;s that have helped to embarass the industry into doing things to clean up its act. And frankly, I think most people who buy diamonds today still have no idea that there are problems with some diamonds, and make no effort to seek out the better ones, like the Canadian ones.</p>
<p>By the way, just because Canada has strict environmental laws on its books doesn&#8217;t mean that aboriginal peoples and their lands are always protected properly. See the debate over the <a href="http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=2704" rel="nofollow">Northgate Minerals Corporation&#8217;s proposed &#8216;Kemess North&#8217; mine</a>. It&#8217;s not a diamond mine, but it does suggest that money and influence can get in the way of environmental and human protection even in Glorious Canada. Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewtopic.php?t=4645" rel="nofollow">another example</a> taken from the <a href="http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/index.php" rel="nofollow">Turtle Island discussion board</a> on <a href="http://www.turtleisland.org/discussion/viewforum.php?f=14" rel="nofollow">Protecting Mother Earth and Natural Resources</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: vinay b.</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-17</link>
		<author>vinay b.</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is my feedback to
Econ-Atrocity Bulletin: Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One (2/14/02)
By Liz Stanton, CPE Staff Economist

Although I support most of your issues, I am somewhat against 3. "Diamonds Have No Resale or Investment Value."

Although it is true for most cases, it is certainly not true in my case. I have been working for the past four years in my father's jewellery firm. Its is one of the highly respected and reputed jewellery firms in India. We have an exchange policy unlike most other jewellers. In my limited experience, I have seen our customers exchanging diamonds sold by us, being as cheap as $2 to as expensive as $100,000, for stones of a higher value countless times. We deduct only 6-8%(being our profit) from the existing increased market value of their diamonds and either hand over cash, or adjust the value in their next purchase.

(For example, say in 2000 you bought a diamond of $1000. In 2002 you want to buy a larger stone worth $2000. If the value of the $1000 stone is 1500, he gets to pay $590 only) This is however, only in cases older than 6 to 8 months. Before that, we don't deduct anything.

More importantly, we provide a facility seconded by none, i.e. we offer the client's full money back to her is she is not satisfied of the worth of our diamonds. 

Hope this will help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is my feedback to<br />
Econ-Atrocity Bulletin: Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One (2/14/02)<br />
By Liz Stanton, CPE Staff Economist</p>
<p>Although I support most of your issues, I am somewhat against 3. &#8220;Diamonds Have No Resale or Investment Value.&#8221;</p>
<p>Although it is true for most cases, it is certainly not true in my case. I have been working for the past four years in my father&#8217;s jewellery firm. Its is one of the highly respected and reputed jewellery firms in India. We have an exchange policy unlike most other jewellers. In my limited experience, I have seen our customers exchanging diamonds sold by us, being as cheap as $2 to as expensive as $100,000, for stones of a higher value countless times. We deduct only 6-8%(being our profit) from the existing increased market value of their diamonds and either hand over cash, or adjust the value in their next purchase.</p>
<p>(For example, say in 2000 you bought a diamond of $1000. In 2002 you want to buy a larger stone worth $2000. If the value of the $1000 stone is 1500, he gets to pay $590 only) This is however, only in cases older than 6 to 8 months. Before that, we don&#8217;t deduct anything.</p>
<p>More importantly, we provide a facility seconded by none, i.e. we offer the client&#8217;s full money back to her is she is not satisfied of the worth of our diamonds. </p>
<p>Hope this will help.</p>
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		<title>By: Nanlouise</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-18</link>
		<author>Nanlouise</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Feb 2007 22:47:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-18</guid>
					<description>A friend recently forwarded me the page Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One which is overall excellent. But I disagree with the title. These are reasons to never accept a NEW diamond. But clearly the only positive current value is sentimental -- thus RE-USE of diamonds already in existence (such as having belonged to a grandmother or such) seems reasonable to me. Am I off-base?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend recently forwarded me the page Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One which is overall excellent. But I disagree with the title. These are reasons to never accept a NEW diamond. But clearly the only positive current value is sentimental &#8212; thus RE-USE of diamonds already in existence (such as having belonged to a grandmother or such) seems reasonable to me. Am I off-base?</p>
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		<title>By: the free radical report &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Diamonds and Debt are Forever</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-86</link>
		<author>the free radical report &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Diamonds and Debt are Forever</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Mar 2007 22:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-86</guid>
					<description>[...] does that aphorism seem more true than in our obsession with diamonds. As noted in this fascinating Top Ten list of reasons why you should not buy or accept diamonds, the diamond market is a sham&#8212;the result [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] does that aphorism seem more true than in our obsession with diamonds. As noted in this fascinating Top Ten list of reasons why you should not buy or accept diamonds, the diamond market is a sham&#8212;the result [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Squeezing blood from a stone.. &#171; the color brown</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-157</link>
		<author>Squeezing blood from a stone.. &#171; the color brown</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:04:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-157</guid>
					<description>[...] ity: Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Ev... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] ity: Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Ev&#8230; [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Byrd&#8217;s Ramblings &#187; Buy a Diamond Ring, get an Amputated Hand Free</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-846</link>
		<author>Ryan Byrd&#8217;s Ramblings &#187; Buy a Diamond Ring, get an Amputated Hand Free</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 06:53:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-846</guid>
					<description>[...] a 2002 report, Liz Stanton, Center for Popular Economics Staff Economist, lists Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone. Among those ten are these few, highlighting the reality of the horrors that is the diamond [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] a 2002 report, Liz Stanton, Center for Popular Economics Staff Economist, lists Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone. Among those ten are these few, highlighting the reality of the horrors that is the diamond [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: The Diamond Age</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-2541</link>
		<author>The Diamond Age</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2007 14:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-2541</guid>
					<description>[...] Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring [...]</description>
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		<title>By: p0ntus</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4727</link>
		<author>p0ntus</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 04:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4727</guid>
					<description>In response to Nanlouise's comment on the used/heirloom diamond or jewel, I'd say that, if a ring or other jewelry item has garnered sentimental value over many years, by way of meaning in regards to a familial, loving relationship, then yes, a diamond is worth keeping.  It's unfortunate that you must remember its true origin: that of slavery and exploitation (not to mention torturous treatment of said peoples).  In the case of someone selling a diamond, then it has lost ALL of its 'value'.  And since most of the points made in the topic are generally true, though some ideas are slightly out of proportion, the diamond industry, in addition to many other jeweling industries, are really taking advantage, in many nasty ways, of the people of these regions.  They have been exploited by rich greed-mongers for many decades, as have those who believe in the monetary and social value of these rocks (which aren't very rare at all).

In the case that you have a piece of jewelry that you don't feel the neccesity to keep, feel free to sell it to the first schmuck who will pay a decent price for it, and use that money to contribute to an organization that aids the people that have been exploited by this outrageous, evil industry.  I might suggest Amnesty International: http://www.amnesty.org/
or also:
http://www.goal.ie/
http://www.selfhelp.ie/selfhelp/Main/Home.asp</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to Nanlouise&#8217;s comment on the used/heirloom diamond or jewel, I&#8217;d say that, if a ring or other jewelry item has garnered sentimental value over many years, by way of meaning in regards to a familial, loving relationship, then yes, a diamond is worth keeping.  It&#8217;s unfortunate that you must remember its true origin: that of slavery and exploitation (not to mention torturous treatment of said peoples).  In the case of someone selling a diamond, then it has lost ALL of its &#8216;value&#8217;.  And since most of the points made in the topic are generally true, though some ideas are slightly out of proportion, the diamond industry, in addition to many other jeweling industries, are really taking advantage, in many nasty ways, of the people of these regions.  They have been exploited by rich greed-mongers for many decades, as have those who believe in the monetary and social value of these rocks (which aren&#8217;t very rare at all).</p>
<p>In the case that you have a piece of jewelry that you don&#8217;t feel the neccesity to keep, feel free to sell it to the first schmuck who will pay a decent price for it, and use that money to contribute to an organization that aids the people that have been exploited by this outrageous, evil industry.  I might suggest Amnesty International: <a href="http://www.amnesty.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.amnesty.org/</a><br />
or also:<br />
<a href="http://www.goal.ie/" rel="nofollow">http://www.goal.ie/</a><br />
<a href="http://www.selfhelp.ie/selfhelp/Main/Home.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.selfhelp.ie/selfhelp/Main/Home.asp</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jarvis</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4733</link>
		<author>Jarvis</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jul 2007 08:45:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4733</guid>
					<description>Seems opinion here says protect the worthless stone. It does nothing but make he White man richer (I capitalized 'white' to be kind)....white seems to bleed to dark {blood}....$$ blinds. I truly wish to know what drives diamond people to drain that particular resource to the very end...

On that note, I am enjoying seeing the pros and cons fight. Thanks for destroying the planet!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems opinion here says protect the worthless stone. It does nothing but make he White man richer (I capitalized &#8216;white&#8217; to be kind)&#8230;.white seems to bleed to dark {blood}&#8230;.$$ blinds. I truly wish to know what drives diamond people to drain that particular resource to the very end&#8230;</p>
<p>On that note, I am enjoying seeing the pros and cons fight. Thanks for destroying the planet!!</p>
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		<title>By: susanna</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4815</link>
		<author>susanna</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 03:36:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4815</guid>
					<description>so maybe people should just stop being so materialistic.  diamonds are basically just coal anyway.  nothing lasts forever because we die, then our body just rots.  so i don't understand why engagement rings (and anything else, for that matter) are so important to people.  People these days are just looking for all sorts of nonverbal ways to say, "HEY I HAVE MONEY LOOK AT ME." it's so stupid. there are people who have nothing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so maybe people should just stop being so materialistic.  diamonds are basically just coal anyway.  nothing lasts forever because we die, then our body just rots.  so i don&#8217;t understand why engagement rings (and anything else, for that matter) are so important to people.  People these days are just looking for all sorts of nonverbal ways to say, &#8220;HEY I HAVE MONEY LOOK AT ME.&#8221; it&#8217;s so stupid. there are people who have nothing.</p>
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		<title>By: brensgrrl</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4839</link>
		<author>brensgrrl</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jul 2007 14:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4839</guid>
					<description>Your number 4 is absolute bunk.  Only INDIVIDUALS themselves are wholly responsible for the consequences of having sex.  Outside forces cannot be held responsible in any way for the incidence of HIV/AIDS among these minors.  

And, I get the impression that this article was written by someone who is more against the giving of diamonds as engagement gifts than anything else.  They are, after all, expensive, and most women have been socialized to expect a diamond once the question is popped.  I would love to know what the writer would suggest as an alternative symbol of the promise of marriage.

(I bet the writer doesn't believe in marriage at all. . .)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your number 4 is absolute bunk.  Only INDIVIDUALS themselves are wholly responsible for the consequences of having sex.  Outside forces cannot be held responsible in any way for the incidence of HIV/AIDS among these minors.  </p>
<p>And, I get the impression that this article was written by someone who is more against the giving of diamonds as engagement gifts than anything else.  They are, after all, expensive, and most women have been socialized to expect a diamond once the question is popped.  I would love to know what the writer would suggest as an alternative symbol of the promise of marriage.</p>
<p>(I bet the writer doesn&#8217;t believe in marriage at all. . .)</p>
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		<title>By: Epitaph</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4923</link>
		<author>Epitaph</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4923</guid>
					<description>@brensgrrl:
You don't seem to understand the concept of marriage. It is not something that requires a "symbol". Nor should it ever. If you aren't willing to marry someone because they won't give you a dowry of some kind, then that's rather telling of your love for said person.

Nor is marriage even a requirement for any sort of long-term relationship. You imply that it is wrong to not give your loved one an expensive symbol or sign yourself into an unnecessary contractual agreement. I think you're fairly narrow-minded in this respect.

There is more to a relationship than "Hook up, get engaged, [get diamond ring], get married, have children." While the ultimate goal of relationships is procreation, that does not necessitate either marriage OR a symbol of adoration. Just sex. Marriage and Dowries are merely societal shackles on a relationship. That's not to say marriage is a bad thing, but I think you really ought to do some homework on the whole concept of marriage, as well as keep in mind that it really, truly, isn't necessary for a successful long-term relationship. [No, really!]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@brensgrrl:<br />
You don&#8217;t seem to understand the concept of marriage. It is not something that requires a &#8220;symbol&#8221;. Nor should it ever. If you aren&#8217;t willing to marry someone because they won&#8217;t give you a dowry of some kind, then that&#8217;s rather telling of your love for said person.</p>
<p>Nor is marriage even a requirement for any sort of long-term relationship. You imply that it is wrong to not give your loved one an expensive symbol or sign yourself into an unnecessary contractual agreement. I think you&#8217;re fairly narrow-minded in this respect.</p>
<p>There is more to a relationship than &#8220;Hook up, get engaged, [get diamond ring], get married, have children.&#8221; While the ultimate goal of relationships is procreation, that does not necessitate either marriage OR a symbol of adoration. Just sex. Marriage and Dowries are merely societal shackles on a relationship. That&#8217;s not to say marriage is a bad thing, but I think you really ought to do some homework on the whole concept of marriage, as well as keep in mind that it really, truly, isn&#8217;t necessary for a successful long-term relationship. [No, really!]</p>
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		<title>By: irony</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4985</link>
		<author>irony</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 19:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-4985</guid>
					<description>"Your number 4 is absolute bunk. Only INDIVIDUALS themselves are wholly responsible for the consequences of having sex. Outside forces cannot be held responsible in any way for the incidence of HIV/AIDS among these minors."

You obviously have no knowledge of how South African mines are run. Despite "modern" security and benefits, minors are sexually abused by older miners, mostly miners in higher positions. These practices were extremely prevalent in South African mines up until a few decades ago - young boys were practically sold to black miners in high positions as literal "boy brides."

If I were you, I wouldn't make uneducated and high-moralled guesses to what conditions are like in mines. The companies, De Beers included, do nothing to improve conditions in the mines. The mines have a responsibility as an employer to grant their employees a safe working environment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Your number 4 is absolute bunk. Only INDIVIDUALS themselves are wholly responsible for the consequences of having sex. Outside forces cannot be held responsible in any way for the incidence of HIV/AIDS among these minors.&#8221;</p>
<p>You obviously have no knowledge of how South African mines are run. Despite &#8220;modern&#8221; security and benefits, minors are sexually abused by older miners, mostly miners in higher positions. These practices were extremely prevalent in South African mines up until a few decades ago - young boys were practically sold to black miners in high positions as literal &#8220;boy brides.&#8221;</p>
<p>If I were you, I wouldn&#8217;t make uneducated and high-moralled guesses to what conditions are like in mines. The companies, De Beers included, do nothing to improve conditions in the mines. The mines have a responsibility as an employer to grant their employees a safe working environment.</p>
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		<title>By: vindows</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5129</link>
		<author>vindows</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Aug 2007 08:21:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5129</guid>
					<description>In response to:
"7.Slave Laborers Cut and Polish Diamonds. More than one-half of the worldâ€™s diamonds are processed in India where many of the cutters and polishers are bonded child laborers."

This was the story of a few decade ago...(when India was a British colony) now the things have changed.

Get the facts right &#38; keep them up-to-date.
Surat, A city in India processes ~80% of the diamonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to:<br />
&#8220;7.Slave Laborers Cut and Polish Diamonds. More than one-half of the worldâ€™s diamonds are processed in India where many of the cutters and polishers are bonded child laborers.&#8221;</p>
<p>This was the story of a few decade ago&#8230;(when India was a British colony) now the things have changed.</p>
<p>Get the facts right &amp; keep them up-to-date.<br />
Surat, A city in India processes ~80% of the diamonds.</p>
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		<title>By: Momos</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5209</link>
		<author>Momos</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Aug 2007 17:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5209</guid>
					<description>â€œYour number 4 is absolute bunk. Only INDIVIDUALS themselves are wholly responsible for the consequences of having sex. Outside forces cannot be held responsible in any way for the incidence of HIV/AIDS among these minors.â€

Sounds like somebody's a virgin or totally ignorant. You don't know how humans work, do you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>â€œYour number 4 is absolute bunk. Only INDIVIDUALS themselves are wholly responsible for the consequences of having sex. Outside forces cannot be held responsible in any way for the incidence of HIV/AIDS among these minors.â€</p>
<p>Sounds like somebody&#8217;s a virgin or totally ignorant. You don&#8217;t know how humans work, do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Oblural</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5391</link>
		<author>Oblural</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5391</guid>
					<description>About 10 years ago I took a course in African history. My jaw was on the floor for nearly the entire semester. There is so much going on that I never knew to even look into before that class (which I mention only because I think it is that way for most high school graduates in the United States, unless they've done independent study or lucked out with a particular teacher).
One thing that stuck with me through all the years was how artificial the diamond market prices are. There is no reason for it--and it sure isn't going to the mine workers (in Africa--I have no knowledge of Canadian mines).
I think this summary of points is great--a wonderful starting point for people to do reasearch on their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 10 years ago I took a course in African history. My jaw was on the floor for nearly the entire semester. There is so much going on that I never knew to even look into before that class (which I mention only because I think it is that way for most high school graduates in the United States, unless they&#8217;ve done independent study or lucked out with a particular teacher).<br />
One thing that stuck with me through all the years was how artificial the diamond market prices are. There is no reason for it&#8211;and it sure isn&#8217;t going to the mine workers (in Africa&#8211;I have no knowledge of Canadian mines).<br />
I think this summary of points is great&#8211;a wonderful starting point for people to do reasearch on their own.</p>
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		<title>By: David Mackey</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5510</link>
		<author>David Mackey</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5510</guid>
					<description>Have you seen Blood Diamond? I thought its portrayal of the diamond trade and of child soldiers was extremely powerful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you seen Blood Diamond? I thought its portrayal of the diamond trade and of child soldiers was extremely powerful.</p>
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		<title>By: T</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5577</link>
		<author>T</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 03:29:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5577</guid>
					<description>The article has many points- some very emotional while others are objective. I would like to focus on the objective ones- as an economics major, I hate to help in any way to an artificially controlled demand. Why should we support a company that controls demand by limiting supply?? On a more personal note, I recently got engaged and absolutely refused a  "rock" which he could very easily afford. Trust me, there are better ways to spend your money :). As for the "princess" out there that wants hers 2 carat D color VVS1 clarity radiant cuts (I used to sell pricey and large loose diamonds) - chances are in the long run IT WILL NOT WORK OUT!! There is more to it then that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article has many points- some very emotional while others are objective. I would like to focus on the objective ones- as an economics major, I hate to help in any way to an artificially controlled demand. Why should we support a company that controls demand by limiting supply?? On a more personal note, I recently got engaged and absolutely refused a  &#8220;rock&#8221; which he could very easily afford. Trust me, there are better ways to spend your money :). As for the &#8220;princess&#8221; out there that wants hers 2 carat D color VVS1 clarity radiant cuts (I used to sell pricey and large loose diamonds) - chances are in the long run IT WILL NOT WORK OUT!! There is more to it then that.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Jules</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5719</link>
		<author>Harry Jules</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 20:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-5719</guid>
					<description>I think it's reasonable to protest the sale of diamonds as a way of improving working conditions and environmental laws. It's not going to make the industry go away if anything it will make diamonds even more expensive and valuable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s reasonable to protest the sale of diamonds as a way of improving working conditions and environmental laws. It&#8217;s not going to make the industry go away if anything it will make diamonds even more expensive and valuable.</p>
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		<title>By: Alle</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-6637</link>
		<author>Alle</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 17:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-6637</guid>
					<description>I agree with Harry Jules, by restricting the sale it will become even more profitable, like Oil prices have gone up becouse of "environmentalists" prevent use of additional sources.

Those companies mining at unacceptable conditions should be exposed and prosecuted, while you should not buy from sources you cant be sure are safe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Harry Jules, by restricting the sale it will become even more profitable, like Oil prices have gone up becouse of &#8220;environmentalists&#8221; prevent use of additional sources.</p>
<p>Those companies mining at unacceptable conditions should be exposed and prosecuted, while you should not buy from sources you cant be sure are safe.</p>
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		<title>By: The Blog that Noone Reads &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One</title>
		<link>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-7769</link>
		<author>The Blog that Noone Reads &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ten Reasons Why You Should Never Accept a Diamond Ring from Anyone, Under Any Circumstances, Even If They Really Want to Give You One</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 00:55:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>https://fguide.org/?p=53#comment-7769</guid>
					<description>[...] I honor of my good friend&#8217;s recent betrothal, and my co-workers wedding this Saturday, I thought I&#8217;d post a link about diamonds. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] I honor of my good friend&#8217;s recent betrothal, and my co-workers wedding this Saturday, I thought I&#8217;d post a link about diamonds. [&#8230;]</p>
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